#11076 - 03/15/06 11:18 PM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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Im done arguing this point. Use IE if you want. Go ahead. I wont support you though. Its all about choices, you choose to use IE, I choose to ignore you.
Heres the bulk of my argument
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/firefox_vs_internet_explorer.html
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#11077 - 03/16/06 01:42 AM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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Im done arguing this point. Use IE if you want. Go ahead. I wont support you though. Its all about choices, you choose to use IE, I choose to ignore you.
Firefox for teh win!!!11one!11
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#11078 - 03/16/06 02:27 AM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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I see it like this.
9 years internet experience vs killad.
Acording to the expert IE is the worst thing since .. hmm.. Gay people.
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#11079 - 03/16/06 08:40 AM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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Santosj
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Well, I'll put it simply.
Here is the float CSS code for Firefox
Code:
.navfloatmiddle
{
float: left;
background-color: #ffffff;
width: 100px;
height: 13px;
border: 0px;
border-bottom: 2px solid #FBAE34;
padding: 0px;
margin: 0em;
line-height: 0px;
}
And here is the fix for IE:
Code:
<!--[if gte IE 6]>
<style type="text/css">
.navfloatmiddle
{
height: 15px;
}
</style>
<![endif]-->
Here is the explaination in the easiest way I can describe. The total height is 15 px, but there is a border of 2px at the bottom.
15px-2px = 13px, which is what the CSS height code for Firefox and it works perfectly.
To get the same thing to work with IE, you have to set the height to 15px.
15px-2px != 15px
What is the logic to that? There is none, IE is stupid and I dare you to prove me wrong. If you are such a n00b that you can't understand the overall advantages of Firefox over IE, than be happy while the rest of the world pasts you by.
Don't ask me to help your ass when you want to do something cool like work with JavaScript positioning intelligently (which IE can't do). The reason I totally despise IE with a passion is because it kept the rest of the Web Development world in the dark ages for the past 4 years. For the end user, there is no difference, if a site doesn't work with IE, then it is the site's fault. I tend to disagree, but you can't change the mind of the end user. To be forced to support the lowest common denominator is a dictatorship and I for one like the democracy that the web is supposed to support.
There are many more examples listed on a few web sites that you can go to that further the flaws of IE 6. To be fair, IE 7 does fix a lot of those, but won't be released until probably third quarter and I seriously doubt that most people will download it. Which leaves most of the web developing community still in the dark ages for another two years or so while the adoption rates raise for IE 7.
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#11081 - 03/16/06 09:43 AM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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Yeah, but there is this Windows Genunine Bypass file you can use to bypass the required Genunine Validation on the Microsoft site for updates and downloads. So, not too screwed.
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#11082 - 03/16/06 10:53 AM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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Jamin
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Heres the bulk of my argument
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/firefox_vs_internet_explorer.html
If I wasn't already convinced before, knowing that Firefox won the Best of 7 coin flip would have been all the encouragement I needed to switch.
Also, another point that no one's brought up yet (at least in this particular thread) is security. Sure, IE sucks balls at web standards because of Microsoft's masochistic love for custom pseudo-CSS tricks. And that does make it a pain for developers who want cross-browser compatibility. (And it also makes it a pain for end-users of the browser the non-caring developers didn't design for.) But those are superficial, and COULD be fixed, in theory, if a developer did take his/her time to go the extra mile and write the extra IE CSS hacks, or stopped relying on ActiveX, or whatever else. I'm not saying I'm going to do it any time soon... but I could, if I so choose to.
But only VERY recently, in the grand scheme of things, has Microsoft given two shits about the security of their browser in anything more than a superficial "let's say it's secure in the press release" kind of way. They were consistently going out of their way to add new "features" that made the Internet "more interactive" and gave developers a chance to "add custom client-side applications." And the end result of those "features" was that only a very small percentage of the developers who utilized them, did so for legitimate reasons, and all the features really accomplished was adding that many more possible breakpoints for buffer overflows and whatever else.
It is my belief that Microsoft could very easily make IE a much more secure browser, simply by stripping out ActiveX and the others. But they won't do that, of course, because doing so would break backwards compatibility. The second they pull the plug on that stuff, the FIVE companies who actually used the features properly are going to be screaming and kicking like banshees. So, rather than just clipping its wings and breaking its legs, they choose to rely on Lord knows how many lower-level OS hacks to ensure that the monster they created can't get out of his cage. If it *works*, then good for them. I'm glad they finally got something right, no matter what they went through to do it. But honestly, now, how long do you think it'll take hackers to find the new weak points?
All this goes to say, killad, if you're that into IE, more power to you. Stick to your guns, and don't let all of us Mozilla zealots sway you. But IE-vs-Firefox is swiftly becoming an Islam-vs-Christianity style holy war. And in a holy war, the one thing that's guaranteed is that neither side will ever listen to reason. IE7 may indeed outclass Firefox in some aspects, and come a helluva lot closer to matching it in others... but Firefox users don't wanna listen to that. It doesn't matter how spectacularly awesome IE7 ends up being, we'll start using it the day giant neon pigs fly out of our collective asses. And the same thing goes for those who really like IE.
---Jamin
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#11084 - 03/16/06 03:03 PM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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Stuff they program still works with IE, it just looks way shittier. And no one is forcing you to use firefox, use what you want. They are just stating their opinion like you are. Calm the hell down.
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#11085 - 03/16/06 04:25 PM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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you guys didnt hear a damn word i said. I said the normal every day user does not need firefox. so stop programming all your shit to work with only firefox. 90% of the country runs on IE. it will always be that way! ALWAYS! thats like trying to replace windows with Linux, It wont happen. it may be better but the average use does NOT NEED IT!
The normal every day user DOES need firefox. Because every single normal every day user help desk item I have to filter through because they CANT look after themselves on the internet kills me. If any one ever has any issues with malware, viruses/trojans/worms, weird things going on, slow internet and all that shit because they are a stupid normal every day user, then IE is a peice of shit.
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#11087 - 03/16/06 05:03 PM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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This is true.. Although people like me and my mrs make sure that our stupid parents use FF and not IE.
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#11089 - 03/16/06 07:28 PM
Re: IE over Firefox or Vice Versa
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duur gates.
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