#638 - 01/12/70 07:23 PM
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So..I'll start out by saying this film is amazing. It's horribly sobering and yet ironically humorous at the same time.
If ever you doubt that we live in a country inundated with violence and destructive action -- go see Bowling for Columbine. More like a documentary than a movie, director Micheal Moore addresses issues such as gun control and political-terrorism. Interviews include victims of the Columbine shooting, Matt Stone, NRA Supergod Charleton Heston, and Marilyn Manson.
Undoubtedly, the most chilling part of the film is the security-camera footage from inside Columbine Highschool, displayed overtop of an acoustic play of Manson's The Nobodies and various Columbine-related 911 calls the day of the incident.
Moore did an excellent job assembling the information in a way that shocks, though doesn't absolutely disturb the viewer. There is a heavy amount of cynical humor strung through the film, so it keeps you from disemboweling yourself out of sheer and utter depression.
I definitely recommend that everyone sees this film.
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#639 - 01/12/70 07:23 PM
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Is this still playing? I can't find it at any theaters in Abilene, and the hollywood.com info says it was released on 10/11/2002... I heard about this movie a long time ago but never heard much when it apparently came out.
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#640 - 01/12/70 07:24 PM
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synthetik
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I went and saw it in tha dolla movies, y0. So..probably gonna haveta wait for dvd realese and such.
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#641 - 01/12/70 07:28 PM
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never hear of it waht is it about??? specificly
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#642 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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Dude, I'm not sure I agree with:
"Moore did an excellent job assembling the information in a way that shocks, though doesn't absolutely disturb the viewer."
Specifically, because watching that video brought me to tears. I was completely sick to my stomach. It took all of the fear and anger I held towards our Government and propelled it MUCH further ahead than it was previous to seeing this film.
It is VERY well made... but after his outbreak at the Oscars, I cannot endorse any product put out by this man.
Quite simply, when your country is at war you DO have the right to protest and question the actions of your military and your leaders...
The way he did it wasn't the right way to go about it... actions of celebs MUST BE IN GOOD TASTE.
Anyone who would say that this is an unjust and unfair war needs to quit laying "dead" in the middle of 5th Avenue in NYC and go and stand in front of the tanks in Iraq.
You are an enemy of our country and we do NOT want you here.
If you support terror, or a terrorist regime, you deserve to die... just like Saddam does... and WILL.
Great movie... great point... BAD GUY.
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#643 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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also, I have a DivX rip of Bowling if anyone would like to take a look... but I'd have to warn you that it is QUITE disturbing!
Not really from a blood and gut perspective... though there is much of that as well.
It'll take your safety net, your views of our superiority, you cynical attitude about other countries adn their views of the US....
yea. It...
I'm speechless.
This film is neither to the left, nor the right... it's quite fair in it's depiction of ALL Americans being assholes. I suggest they start showing this in schools. I honestly do.
If I had seen this video back when I was in school, maybe I would have made different choices in life. And maybe if people had seen a TRUE example of "Shock and Awe" such as this film, there wouldn't have BEEN a Columbine Massacre!
I'm really quite torn. The film brings a very good point... and he had to ruin my views of him as a person by what he did in a situation of power.
He became the same asshole that he tries to proclaim EVERYONE in the US to be...
I'm no more confused by the plot of 12 Monkeys or Mullholland Drive than I am of BFC...
Completely utterly devestating to everything we hold to be true and dear to us in America!
WOW!  
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#644 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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ditto. 
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#645 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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Saw this on Sara's rip last night. Hehehe, it's just all kinds of gravy. Charlton Heston is a fucking cock.
Though I do think Michael Moore's little soapbox trick at the Oscars was uncalled for. The oscars are for good actors (and hillary swank, for some damn reason) to get awards. Not for you to rail on GeeBee, or spout your political views about wars and vaginal excretions and such. He won an oscar and somehow managed to turn that into a fucking UN Security Council meeting. If I wanted that, I'd become Colin Powell.
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#646 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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Charleton Heston is a cock?
ANYONE who is facing the PREPARED questioning of someone who is DELIBERATELY trying to defame a person, no matter HOW they respond it is going to sound bad.
Wanna know why Heston doesn't remember that lil girl?
BECAUSE SHE IS AN ACCEPTABLE LOSS.
She isn't a good enough reason to lay down my arms.
Got it?
Personally, when ANY of the Missouri leaders came to RayPec, Richard Kloiber and myself had TOUGH, and WELL PREPARED questions for them. FAR more tough than they expected from 2 17 year old teenagers.
LIKEWISE, you'd expect your everyday layperson to ask your basic YES and NO type questions...
Simply put, if you put a person on the witness stand, with no prior advice from their attorney, questions can be asked in a manner where they are LOADED, and ANY answer you give will make you sound bad... as in the case of my TRUE president...
Mr. Heston.
Further, I think that them later going and manipulating their way in to the Kmart Headquarters, then making them speak UNPREPARED in front of the news media is UNFAIR.
YES, they should have to answer to that...
But you know what?
I am a felon.
I STILL OWN AND CARRY FIREARMS.
For protection of both myself, my friends, and my family.
Try and take my guns from me.
Availability of guns has NOTHING to do with killing people, and they showed that as well, when they went to Canada.
Though those kids in Canada made me laugh 
He showed that if nothing more, America goes out and kills people and kids see this is a fair and just way to deal with their problems, so they lay waste to droves of "innocent" preppy assholes at their skewl.
You know how many of those fuckers at RayPec deserved to get their asses lit up like the Rockafeller Christmas tree?
EVERY FUCKING ONE!
Did I kill them?
I should have, but I didn't. Arguably, the largest mistake of my life!
Sometimes people have it coming. PEOPLE IN AMERICA ARE ASSHOLES.
I didn't need any movie to tell me that.
But what I DID need to see, was the statistics of the fatc that 4/20 the same day of Columbine, we dropped more bombs on Kosovo than any day in the campaign... because that fact is HIDDEN from the public... even well informed people like myself.
If you don't know, it CAN and will hurt you.
I don't give a fuck WHAT you think your rights are...
You DO have the right to burn a US flag, but that right is ONLY symbolic... it isn't your DUTY as an American to do so... and in fact, anyone who BURNS a flag has just given up their right to be represented by that flag.
If you don't like it, QUIT YOUR FUCKING WHINING!
GET OFF OF YOUR PUSSY ASS AND RUN ONTO THE LAWN OF THE WHITEHOUSE WITH YOUR FUCKING LIBERAL ASS, AND GET IT HANDED TO YOU!
DIE WITH YOUR FUCKING HEAD *UP*
NOT WITH YOUR MOUTH OPEN!
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#647 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with CH's point. Guns are great, and were it not for the fact that I have no money and usually spend what money I do have on my computer, I'd own several myself. I fully stand by personal armament and the PRINCIPLES of the NRA. But not their methods.
I'm saying CH is a fucking cock for what he did to those towns. No matter how much he swears he doesn't remember that girl, I think it's BULLSHIT! His NRA meeting was about a week after the girl was killed, and about a week after Columbine. Those two stories were THE NEWS for those weeks. Unless he was on a cave a hundred miles under the surface of Pluto for that entire week, he knew about that girl and about Columbine. And considering he's the president of the NRA, it makes it even more less probable that he didn't know about it, because it's guns that caused the problem in the first place. He fucking knew.
And in the movie, iirc, he said that the NRA meetings in question were, like, spur of the moment type things that weren't previously planned. Which means he went there with the specific purpose of throwing it in those people's faces. It's not like Flint and Littleton are major metropolitan areas. They're no Peculiar, MO, obviously, but they're not Houston or LA either. If he wanted to hold an NRA rally, why did he not pick a BIG city? Why did he specifically target these two minor towns a week after their incidents?
If it had only happened at one of the two, it could be chalked up to coincidence and bad scheduling. Though even still, considering the circumstances, he should have cancelled it. But it didn't happen at just one, it happened at TWO. There's no way you can tell me that he didn't do that on purpose. He may as well be taking a magnifying glass to ants. It's just mean.
And whether the questions were loaded or not, that shouldn't matter. The fact remains that he basically rubbed salt in their wounds. It's not like Michael Moore asked him whether he ever raped a ten year old or something. He was trying to bring out the fact that CH did what he did just to spite them and hoist the first amendment up a flag pole and burn it. He did it because he could, and because he knew damn well that there was no way anyone could stop him. He's Charlton Heston, he's the NRA, he's fucking MOSES for crying out loud. Damn the little plebians for trying to get in the way of his little turn ons.
What if you'd been the parent or friend (or victim, for that matter) of one of the people from those schools? Would you want him coming to your town?
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#648 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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 ...i didn't deserve to be lit up like a Rockefeller Christmas tree...
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#649 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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Opinions remain, points are made clear.
Yet nothing of mass importance is resolved,
just like the rest of the world.
I guess it just goes to show you, that
no one really knows exactly how they are going
to react to everything. No matter how well we
know ourselves, we cannot truly say that we know
what we would do if something, in particular, were
to happen to us, when it hasn't happened before.
Views change, mostly by experience, rather than debate.
While arguing maintains it's title:
"one of the funnest things to do among the human race",
it fails to solve enough problems in the world and, namely,
our own lives, to give great reason to continue.
I personally find nothing wrong with
domestic arguments. Good insight is often found with, or from,
someone else's opinion. I guess my point
is that, while debate will always exist,
it is not what will decide our future in the end.
Human action, will most likely be fueled by a past/present/future
experience, rather than another person's view on things.
I'm not saying that's the case EVERY time.
I'm simply (ironically) stating my opinion. 
----Sara
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#650 - 01/12/70 08:20 PM
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synthetik
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ralphie..dude..
charleton heston? your *true* president?
yeah. you're done.
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#651 - 01/12/70 08:21 PM
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Honestly, Ben...
WHEN did you turn into such a hippy? Are you not the same person who was remarking to me about Devil May Cry and the UBER violent graphics?
Seriously...
The point of that Documentary, is that America is a FUCKED up place...
It OBVIOUSLY doesn't have anything to do with guns...
Michael Moore's views are distressing to say the least...
First he goes to Canada and shows that they have JUST AS MANY GUNS, VIOLENT MOVIES, VIDEOGAMES, ETC.
They don't kill people there....
So then he goes to the MAN himself to ask why people kill people?
They don't kill people in Canada because they are NAIVE LITTLE PUSSIES!
Survival of the fittest if you ask me...
Seriously, come runnin up on my front lawn and try and take my guns, money, food, computer, broadband... ANYTHING...
and you will be laying bleeding...
WHY?
Because, you ran up on my lawn.
People kill people because that person PISSED THEM THE FUCK OFF!
Sometimes, the person who randomly kills people is just NUTS... but you fail to forget that the serial killer with the highest death count was in Canada
214 Canadians can tell you about that...
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ralphie..dude..
charleton heston? your *true* president?
yeah. you're done.
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#652 - 01/12/70 08:21 PM
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synthetik
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no man. i'm all about killing people.
i am not, however, all about charleton heston. or the nra. proliferation of weapons is *not* a good thing.
plus, i'm not overly comfortable with the star of planet of the apes leading a horde of rednecks with firearms.
seems a bit volatile to me.
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